Setting and achieving career development goals can feel overwhelming, especially when you’re unsure where to start or how to stay on track. Are you clear about the direction you want to take in your career and the steps needed to get there?
In this episode, you will learn how to craft intentional, purpose-driven career goals that align with your core values and personal aspirations. Our host and CEO Porschia, alongside our guest Jeff Perry, share proven strategies to help you gain clarity, build accountability, and overcome common pitfalls as you pursue professional growth.
Jeff Perry is a leadership and career expert who specializes in helping technical professionals and engineers unlock their full potential. He’s the author of the award-winning book The Intentional Engineer and The Intentional Career Guide to Professional Networking. Jeff holds a BS in Mechanical Engineering from Brigham Young University and an MBA from the University of Washington.
What you’ll learn:
- Why being intentional is the foundation for setting meaningful career development goals
- How to identify your core values and use them as filters when choosing career objectives
- The difference between achievement goals and habit goals
- Techniques for breaking down long-term aspirations into actionable, habit-based steps
- Strategies to stay accountable, leveraging coaching, mentors, and support networks to keep you moving forward
- Tips for balancing goal pursuit with life’s realities, so you remain motivated and adaptable in changing circumstances
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Porschia: [00:00:00] Hello, I’m Portia Parker Griffin, and I wanna welcome you to the Career 1 0 1 Podcast, a place for ambitious professionals and seasoned executives who want an edge in their career. We’re talking about all of the things you were never taught or told when it comes to career growth, development, and change.
Now let’s get into it.
Today we are talking about career development goals with Jeff Perry. Jeff Perry is a leadership and career expert known for helping individuals, teams and organizations. Unlock their potential in all facets of life. Given his background in engineering, business and leadership, he specializes in working with engineering and technical professionals, but the principles he shares are universal.
He’s the author of the [00:01:00] award-winning book, the Intentional Engineer, A Guide to a Purpose-Driven Life and Career for Engineers and Technical Professionals. And the new book, the Intentional Career Guide to Professional Networking. Jeff received a Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering from Brigham Young University and a Master of Business Administration from the University of Washington.
Hi Jeff. How are you today?
Jeff: Portia, pleasure to be with you. I’m so excited to chat here.
Porschia: Yes. We are excited to have you with us to discuss career development goals. But first, Jeff, we like to find out a little bit more about you. So tell me about 7-year-old Jeff.
Jeff: Yeah, so this is an interesting question ’cause I actually have a 7-year-old daughter and so I’m trying to put myself in her shoes, right?
She’s in second grade and she loves getting into, she’s into reading and stuff. And I remember I like, I already had [00:02:00] this voracious thirst for learning when I was a young child. And I was in like competition with a couple other kids, like who could finish their work at school first so we could go, play with something else really is what the motivation was in school.
And was just really curious about the world and how things worked. And I loved building stuff. I loved going and playing outside and playing sports and soccer and basketball and other things from a young age and different things. So I just. I think I just had a natural curiosity and interest in a lot of things and a whole lot of that has transferred to now as well where I can just get curious and interested in a lot of different topics,
Porschia: I’m sure.
So what did you wanna be when you grew up, Jeff, since you had this curiosity about a lot of things.
Jeff: Yeah, so I did have some natural proclivities towards like math and science and stuff. And so it didn’t take me that long. I think [00:03:00] I was in ninth grade where I said I’m gonna be a mechanical engineer, and I never wavered from that, from, deciding that was gonna be my major in college and sticking with that and then became an engineer and that was awesome.
And because engineering for me was this. Blend of taking the principles of math and science, but then creating something out of that. And mechanical engineering was also really broad, so it could go into a lot of different industries where okay, so my interest for where I wanted to take this, I still wasn’t sure.
And so I figured if I went that direction, I could, I still had a lot of options in front of me as I explored where my career would take me.
Porschia: Absolutely. I’ve worked with a few engineers in the past, and I think you were totally right about the application of the math and science, and I’ve seen them pivot into different types of engineering as well, which I’m sure you have seen way more of than I have, but yeah, I’ve seen that with some clients.
So Jeff, tell us about some [00:04:00] highlights or pivotal moments in your career before you became a coach.
Jeff: Yes, there were a few, so right outta my undergrad as a mechanical engineering graduate, I actually went to a company and became a software engineer for a few years, and I did that on purpose to get exposure to that space.
I was creating software for engineering applications. So I was still tied to the engineers themselves and doing a lot of that work and connected with the softwares that engineers were using all the time. But I wanted to learn how to write code, and I realized a few things about that is that I didn’t like writing code all day.
I was a little bit too, personable and where my value, my key objective was to go find the problems and go solve them through writing code the vast majority of my day. And I didn’t look forward to that. There was some cool solve, problem solving pieces about that, but I didn’t enjoy that.
So I was already early on looking [00:05:00] for okay, where else do I go? And so I. I even started doing like a side business while I was in that role and got interested in entrepreneurship a little bit then. And then I, and I was exploring graduate schools but then I actually got an offer to go to a smaller company.
’cause I actually started in a really large company. I went to a smaller company, about 200, 250 people and got into my first leadership role. And that changed things for me in a lot of ways where I built a lot of. Different sorts of skills. I was doing some product management connected with the physical manufacturing, engineering, mechanical engineering and software.
So in my broad interest I could bring in a lot of those different things. And so that was really cool to wear a lot of different hats and a high variety of things for me. And then also in there, I think I got my first taste of what kind of coaching and training was like because we merged with another [00:06:00] company.
In Germany actually. And as part of that, we rebranded and leadership shifted and we were having what I would call it a corporate identity crisis where we were saying like, Hey, who are we gonna be now with this new combined company? So we revisited values and strategy and all sorts of different things.
And so we brought in some consultants that actually helped us work through some of that from a foundational mindset perspective. I was part of the leadership team that went through like the initial two-day training and that shifted some things for me and some of the things I realized about myself, how I was showing up for my team and my peers and my leaders, that opened my eyes to a lot of things and where my mindset was at, and I quickly raised my hand and said, Hey, if we’re going to be this way and we’re gonna adopt this as a way of being in a value system for our company.
They had to train the trainer opportunity where I could learn how to run these workshops internally. And I did that for the whole rest of the company, [00:07:00] and that was on the side of my engineering leadership role. But I found that I looked forward to those days where I was really working on the people side.
How are we changing people, perspective, culture, and how we work together in a different way compared to accomplishing things as an engineering leader, I just looked forward to those days and I saw people transform and I, and that’s the stuff that really thrilled me. And so then that changed in me.
How can I do more of that as I move forward? I recognized that the people development space was what I got really interested in. Then there was another career crossroads and I looked at, hey, what what do I wanna do next? And that’s when I decided to. Jump into coaching. And so I like to say in a really brief version of the story that I spent a long time as an engineer building products and processes, and now as a coach and trainer, speaker and author, my focus is building people.
And I love doing that. [00:08:00]
Porschia: I love it. You can engineer the people, Jeff.
Jeff: Exactly. Exactly.
Porschia: So how did you decide to focus on leadership and career coaching?
Jeff: A few different things. Honestly, I started with a focus on leadership ’cause I recognize that leadership especially in the engineering world, is often something where we take a great engineer, we say, Hey, you’ve been a great engineer.
Someone needs to lead this team. Let’s let you do it. And the skills to be a great engineer are not the same skills, need to be a great engineering leader. And we set people up to fail and in some of that, and I wanted to help people with that. But in those early days of starting the business and hanging out my shingle, that was a tough place to, to be actually.
So I almost unintentionally fell onto the, into the career development side because that was an easier place where I was really good at it. Helping people identify some of that and some of my own career crossroads and identifying, oh, some of the things that I wish I would’ve had. [00:09:00] Resources and help to move through different pieces to figure out what I really wanted.
’cause there were a lot of times where I was like, I have no idea what’s next for me. Because as an engineer and a lot of different professionals, there are a lot of different directions I could take my career. So finding that clarity and some of the mindset transformations that we talked about and I still continue to work on and learning how to communicate effectively about my personal brand and other things.
Are things that a lot of engineers don’t do in terms of intentionally developing their career. And so I started doing some of that too. Like I said, fell into it, but found that I love that too because, and I still did that from a foundational place to help people be intentional about where they wanted to take their careers.
And it just became this blend. And so I, it is this beautiful thing where even on the career coaching side, I’d still say I help with self-leadership. And then when I get to do leadership coaching or training with teams or organizations, [00:10:00] then I get to work on a larger scale and impact a larger team, which is super fun.
Porschia: Wow. Jeff, you touched on a lot of great things there. Before we get too deep in with career development, I noticed that you have a strong emphasis on being intentional in your books. And your work. Why do you think being intentional is important?
Jeff: Intentionality or being intentional is a really powerful word, and I might even say it’s a powerful state to be in ’cause so often.
We let life happen to us and our careers happen to us instead of us being intentional about creating the career and the life that we want to create, right? So when we get into a more intentional state, we are more intentionally choosing what we’re doing and therefore the results that we get instead of just hoping that good things happen, [00:11:00] right?
I talk with so many people. Very often the vast majority of people that I end up talking to are experienced professionals in their careers. They’ve done some good things and on paper, their career looks like it’s been going and they’ve been successful, and yet they have this sense that something’s missing, something’s misaligned, it’s not right, and they’re not finding the fulfillment, the joy, the growth.
The other things outta their career or it’s not connecting or aligned with their personal life and the other things that they care about. And so if we, when we back up and we say, Hey, what do you really want? What do you really care about? What are your intentions? Then some powerful things can happen. I think, in some context we hear Hey, set your intention.
Maybe if there’s any like yoga practitioners out there, they’re like, okay, you go into a yoga practice or a meditation or something, set your intention for it that you want this to be. I think intentionality is this beautiful blend of the, what you’re [00:12:00] doing with the why you’re doing it, and the underlying motivation.
When you bring those two together, it’s more purposeful action and purposeful growth that happens instead of letting things just happen to you.
Porschia: Very well said. Very well said. We discussed designing your career development plan back in episode 54. What are your thoughts about having a career development plan?
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Jeff: So the interesting thing about my approach to this is I love to, one of the things I work with people a lot is getting [00:14:00] more clarity about what they want and where they’re headed in their lives and their careers. Because like I struggled with and so many people struggle with hey. Where do I go?
What do I want to be when I grow up? We get asked that question when we’re kids, we still get asked that question and we still become adults and professionals. We’re still like, I still don’t know what I wouldn want be when I grow up. It happens all of the time, and so my approach to this is a little bit balanced in terms of, I don’t think that it’s necessarily helpful to have this expectation that you’re going to have this perfectly mapped out.
5, 10, 20 year plan where you’ve got like a treasure map and X marks the spot and we’ve got this, but also having no plan, having no goals, having no direction is also completely unhelpful. I sometimes use the comparison if people are familiar with the Allison in Wonderland story. Where she gets [00:15:00] caught in Wonderland.
She’s going through the dark forest and she gets to a fork in the road, the Cheshire cat’s there, and she asks the cat, Hey, which path should I take? And the cat says it depends a great deal on where you want to go. And she’s I don’t much care where so long as I get somewhere. And he says you’re sure to get.
There as so long as you walk long enough. So she was being very unintentional about where she wanted to go. She didn’t know where she wanted to go. So in that case, any path will take you there. And that’s how a lot of us are doing that. If we at least can find that clarity, find that intention, that at least acts as like a guiding light, a north star in the direction that we want to take.
Or another comparison, the thing about as a set of filters. For your core values and maybe some non-negotiable things about your career and how that fits with your life and things that are very important to you, then you’re not wasting time [00:16:00] considering options and ideas that aren’t in alignment with those things that you’ve identified are important to you.
So yeah, we can get some details around. If you want to make a certain amount of money and you wanna live in a certain place, maybe you prefer remote, maybe you prefer hybrid, maybe you prefer in person the types of company you wanna work for. A mega company you wanna work for mid-size or a startup, like you can get all that sort of stuff.
And some of those things might be non-negotiables, like really important to you. Some of those are like, Hey, I think this is what I want, but let’s get as many of those things in alignment as possible. And then say, Hey, how can I, is the next step that I’m considering, at least taking me in the direction of where I want to go.
And also balancing that with the realities of life, right? So plenty of people I’ve in tech has been a crazy few years with a ton of layoffs and other things. We’re seeing a lot of that in the government space right now and other places. And all [00:17:00] that career uncertainty. And so sometimes you just have to do what you need to do to get through.
But still again, can we be as intentional as possible and not, put our goals by the wayside forever. Maybe we need to do something that isn’t perfect right now. We’re not necessarily gonna find that perfect job or perfect career path right now, but will at least lead us to, and we can still be focused on what those goals are for the future.
So anyway, a little bit of a balanced approach in terms of let’s find that guiding light and that set of filters that helps us as we make decisions as they come along.
Porschia: I really like the Alice in Wonderland analogy for intentionality, I should say. I sometimes describe it as having a choose your own adventure book.
Right? And you, and I don’t know if. People remember those books, but they were huge in the nineties when I was a kid. And you could literally choose your own adventure and read the book and the story would be different. I love it, [00:18:00] Jeff. I love it. And so I’ve heard you mention a bit about, being in alignment and having filters, core values and your non-negotiables.
What do you think are some of the best ways to create career development goals?
Jeff: Yeah. So if you have all those things as your foundation, then you can build on. Okay. What does that mean? So goals can be two different flavors, right? They can be achievement goals, like I will get to a certain place, right?
They can also be like habit goals in terms of actions that we want to take, right? And also I wanna let go just a little bit. Of the word goal and recognize that sometimes some people have a negative and difficult connotation with goals. And let’s just acknowledge that for a second.
And the data’s interesting where, I think about New Year’s resolutions. The data says that only 9% of people actually achieve their New Year’s resolution. So it’s pretty low. And a [00:19:00] whole good chunk of that, I think it was like 40 or 50% only set goals because they felt. A pressure to do right?
So let’s let go of some of that and say, you don’t have to set goals. You, no, no one is forcing you to do that. But again, you can set goals or intentions or use whatever language you wanna set, if you feel like that’s helpful for you. And if you’re going to do that, make those as aligned as possible with your values.
With your non-negotiables and these other things, then you can set the actions that you want to take to to achieve things. And I think it’s probably more important, more often to focus on the habit or the recurring goals the actions to take, we might call these leading indicators instead of tailing indicators.
So that we can focus on the process of becoming and growing and doing, and I might say being who we’re trying to become, [00:20:00] while maybe detaching from a certain expectation around the certain outcome in a certain timeline, right? Which sometimes can have, a negative experience round, or maybe people have had negative experience, Hey, I set these goals and I was expecting to do X, Y, or Z by a certain time, or make a certain amount of money by this, or maybe I’m out of a job and I thought I was gonna have a new job in three months, and then it didn’t happen, and they just feel devastated because of that.
So it’s being fully committed to the process, but maybe unattached from the results because being so emotionally attached, I. Actually wraps us up and actually sometimes even diminishes our chance of achieving those things. So it’s a little bit about my approach to some of that. So identify, especially and commit to the process and the actions, building the accountability, the people are going to be helping [00:21:00] you and the things that you’re committed to doing that will lead you to the results that you want, but being unattached to those actual results.
Porschia: But Jeff, I love it. And another way I think about that is when people talk about controlling what you can control, right? So when I hear you talk about, the habit goals and those kind of recurring actions behaviors, beliefs, that someone might have that they could control, focusing on those and Sure.
Having a goal as more of a broad. Guiding star, but not necessarily being attached to. It has to happen at this specific time, in this specific way, on this specific timeline, if that makes sense. So yeah, I love it. I love it. And I also loved your point of you don’t have to set goals, and I have clients that don’t set goals.
Either or they, to your point, call them intentions or other, they use some other terminology. But we’ll say that I think the [00:22:00] majority of my clients do set goals though. So from your perspective, what are some of the biggest challenges you’ve seen professionals and executives have with their career development goals?
Jeff: A lot of different things that we could go, so first of all, I think the big challenge, and we’ve talked a lot about this, like setting, starting from that strong foundation of the values and those other things, is that most people don’t do the work to really clarify what those things are.
Right? And if you’re setting goals because you feel like you should be setting goals, but you’re not setting them and identifying them from that foundational place, that’s a huge challenge. And you’re gonna start misaligned in the very beginning. Okay. And the same thing when anyone’s trying to make some sort of career transition or they get laid off or something, they just jump into, okay, let me just update my resume, my LinkedIn and start applying.
But they don’t, first kind of step back and say, Hey, where do I actually want to go? Can I clarify that intention? Can I get my mindset right and [00:23:00] figure out my communication strategy, my personal brand? They’re going to often take things in a misaligned direction, right? So again, going back, the challenge is let’s clarify those things first.
We don’t do that. We’re gonna have challenges. Second is not building in. So I think that setting the goal at that point, once you’ve identified those things, is usually the easy part, right? It’s the staying connected with that. And continuing forward, that’s actually the greater challenge than if we’ve, we set that from an aligned perspective.
And so second is not getting help and support as you do that and trying to achieve your goals all alone. Okay, so Porsche, you and I would maybe a little bit biased, would highly suggest people get coaches or the things like that to help them with that. You don’t always have to have coaches, but other mentors, family support good friends who can be accountability partners.
There’s a lot of data that suggests that accountability has [00:24:00] a huge impact on goal achievement. In fact, the American Society of Testing and training and development did some research a number of years back and like just people having the idea of something they wanted to do, 10% chance that they would follow through on that if they, wrote it down or go up to 25%.
If they shared that with someone, it goes up to 40, 50%. But if they had a specific person who they’re going to report back and they committed to doing something by a certain date. To that person, 95% chance that they follow through. Huge difference when that accountability gets put in. So biggest challenge is misalignment.
Number two, not getting help and trying to do it all along.
Porschia: Yeah, I would definitely agree with those. Back in episode 19, I talk about support systems and building a support system for your career and just what you said, I [00:25:00] flushed that out. That is so important. And then also having the right people in that support system and figuring out who the right people are, I think is also a challenge.
And accountability to your point, is also really important. We’ve had an episode episode 21 on creating accountability plans, which I think is helpful to this conversation about goals too. I wanna shift because I have so much I could say about that, Jeff, but yes, you’re right. I think coaches, mentors they’re just so important.
One thing I learned for myself, and you might have seen something similar. When I started this business fly high coaching, I said, you know what if I’m not where I wanna be in six months, I’m hiring a coach. So I did everything. I read all the blog posts, I, built my website, learned WordPress to do it, and I wasn’t where I wanted to be.
So I said, you know what, I’m hiring the coach. And so I think also you’ve, to your point about accountability, you’ve [00:26:00] got to stay true to yourself and decide if that is a goal that you have, that you’re gonna stick with it. Because the people that I see quit are the ones that just keep floundering and then lose that steam.
Jeff: Yeah. It’s an interesting mental exercise to wonder how much more quickly would you have made progress had you started with a coach? Yeah. And so a lot of people feel oh, I can’t. Afford it or anything else, right? And so they flounder with without that help. And they’re actually in a worse space six months later because they’ve tried to do that all along without that help and support.
And so if we can look at getting that help, if it’s coaching as an investment, not just a cost that we’re investing in ourselves, which is always the best investment that we can make, then we, it changes our mindset about what that means and also what’s possible. And. Helps us be willing to, yeah, sometimes we do need to invest in some of those things, but [00:27:00] rarely, if ever you’re going to regret that.
Porschia: Agreed. So you mentioned investing, but what are some additional tips you can share to help people who wanna focus on their career development goals?
Jeff: Yeah, investing in yourself. We’ve already talked about finding that. That community of support, that circle, whether coaches, mentors good friends, accountability partners, even spouses, partners and others who we can just let know and be in on what we’re trying to accomplish. And.
That can help us set boundaries for, hey, maybe in this stage of life I need some extra time that I need to set aside to achieve this. And and that’s gonna be different than what we’ve done in the past. You need those people who are those close to you in your support if you’re gonna do that, to make sure that’s aligned in the family aspect, I’d see that be a real challenge for a lot of people where they’re trying to make challenges and the rest of the families that on board.
And so there’s this. Very real life resistance [00:28:00] factor that comes into play. And then third, like just be really gentle with yourself, right? So I’m someone who struggles with perfectionist tendencies. I would call myself a recovering perfectionist. And and that’s why I talked about some of the things earlier that I did where sometimes, not reaching things.
So just say, take a gentle approach. Just if people are familiar with mindfulness, whenever you’re in some sort of meditation, like you’re trying to focus on the breath or whatever else you’re focusing on, and minds wander, we just keep coming back. Minds wander. We just keep coming back to it. Okay?
Same deal with whatever your goals are as you’re seeking to take action. You’re gonna have days, you’re gonna have weeks that are hard and other things come into play or life happens, right? Be gentle with yourself. And then you say, you know what? I’m just gonna come back, right? I’m just gonna come back.
I’m gonna recommit. It wasn’t perfect yesterday. Now don’t use that as an excuse. Take ownership, right? [00:29:00] And say, how can I keep building this towards where I want to go and be better, but be gentle and not dig into the shame of maybe not doing what you wanna do and just keep coming back to it with a gentle, non nonjudgmental approach so that you can stay focused and motivated.
And if you need that extra help, find someone who supports you and believes in you, who can give you that. Pick me up. Lean on those relationships. To, because, ’cause sometimes we need to borrow someone else’s belief in us. So we can believe in ourselves again.
Porschia: Yeah. And your point about being gentle is so important.
I think most of our clients are have some kind of workaholic tendencies or recovering perfectionists. I’m one too. And that’s just a really important thing to be mindful of. So Jeff, tell us more about your business and your books.
Jeff: Yeah, great. [00:30:00] So again, like we’ve already talked about, I specialize in working with engineers and technology professionals. On the career coaching side, I primarily work with people who are trying to make intentional career transitions or upgrades. So people who have that sense of something isn’t right and I wanna make a change.
Then we, I have a program called the Engineering Career Accelerator, where we work through that intentional change, and it’s a hybrid approach. We’ve got a number of different layers of resources, but they get one-on-one time with me. So we can go deep into all the things that are necessary.
We already talked about in the intro. Written a couple books thus far. There’s probably more coming the Intentional Engineer, which actually won an award in the last couple months, which is cool. And then a smaller really action oriented book of the intentional Career Guide to Professional Networking.
So I’ve loved becoming an author. It’s something that I wanted to do for years. I finally committed to doing that. And so that was a huge goal, yeah, to use that word for me. And I got the [00:31:00] help and I got coaching, and I got editors to help support me along the way so I could stay true to that.
And yeah, people can find me really active on LinkedIn or my website, jeff perry.com. Or look up my books. The Intentional Engineer or the Intentional Career guided professional networking on Amazon or Audible, can find those and would love to connect with anyone and probably just as a help helpful resource.
I think as a free resource for folks, because a lot of what we talked about was trying to find that clarity and in intentional alignment here I’ve got a resource called I call the career clarity checklist that people might be interested in, and so they can go grab that and maybe we can provide a link in the show notes@www.engineering career accelerator.com/career-clarity.
I’ll make sure to get you that link Porsche, so you can add that. But that’s a free resource that people can get that has a number of exercises to get closer to [00:32:00] those deeper motivations and identify some of those things to gain alignment and find the support that they need to move towards that intentional career development that they’re looking for.
Porschia: That’s great. We will provide those links in the show notes so people can find you online and on social. But what is the best way for someone to get in touch with you, Jeff?
Jeff: Yeah I’d say LinkedIn probably we can find on LinkedIn. I I answer pretty much every message as long as it’s not spam and we’ll be happy to connect with you there.
Porschia: Great. Great. So now Jeff, I wanna ask you our last question that we ask all of our guests. How do you think executives or professionals can get a positive edge in their career?
Jeff: We’re gonna go back to the thing we’ve been talking about this whole time. Be intentional, right? Because the edge in your career, like the [00:33:00] career. Building a career of meaning that’s a purpose. And and things that you care about isn’t just about titles or amount of money that you’re making or some of those things.
And those things are great and they’re important. And if they’re really important to you, then fabulous. Especially if you have purposes behind those things and where you wanna place those things and the influence you wanna have on that. And that’s fabulous. Make sure that you’re not neglecting those other things that are deeply important.
Your family, your friends, your relationships. ’cause what we’re trying to build is not just a career of influence, but a life of influence. And what does that look like for you? Be intentional about what that means for you and how your career aligns with that, and you’ll be much more likely to actually be successful in those things.
Porschia: I love it. A life of influence, Jeff said. That’s a writer downer. So Jeff, you’ve shared a lot of [00:34:00] insights with us today and I’m sure that our listeners can use it to be more confident and have more clarity in their careers. We appreciate you being with us.
Jeff: Yeah, thanks for having me. I really hope this was helpful and hope I can connect with anyone who’s interested in chatting.
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