Last Updated on October 22, 2026 by Fly High Coaching
Choosing a career path you feel passionate about sounds simple until you try to do it. Most professionals were told to “follow your passion,” then found themselves stuck between the starving artist and golden handcuffs. Are you chasing a single perfect job, or are you designing a career that actually lights you up and pays the bills?
In this episode, you will learn more about finding the career path you’re passionate about. Our host and CEO Porschia, alongside our guest, Grace Fabian, will share their insight on why passion alone is not enough, and how purpose, meaning, and fulfillment work as more sustainable fuel for your career.
They will also discuss 3 common myths about monetizing your passion, and why doing what you love does not shield you from hard days or old habits like perfectionism. The conversation also covers 3 pieces of personal data Grace believes every professional should carry with them, and the biggest challenge she sees that keeps high achievers from tapping into passion at all.
Grace Fabian is the career coach for passionate powerhouses and has helped over 130 purpose-led high achievers break the cycle of perfectionism and burnout. With 10+ years of corporate leadership experience from nonprofit to tech, she holds a Cornell psych honors degree, Brown coaching certification, and an ICF credential.
What you’ll learn:
- How to define what passion actually feels like before choosing your next career path
- 3 levers beyond passion that keep you motivated for the long term
- What to consider before turning a passion into a paycheck
- 3 pieces of personal data that guide better career decisions
- How to handle doubt and indecision when you are close to making a big move
- Why burnout and depletion make it so hard to find what lights you up
Resources:
- Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Today, we are talking about finding the career path you’re passionate about with Grace Fabian. Grace Fabian is the career coach for passionate powerhouses. She’s helped over 130 purpose-led high achievers cut the cycle of perfectionism and burnout, reconnect with what lights them up, take aligned risk smart actions, and design careers they love.
Porschia: With over 10 years of corporate leadership experience spanning nonprofit to tech, and her own career pivots, Grace [00:01:00] knows what it takes to navigate modern work in an empowered way. She blends creative exploration with type A execution so action feels energizing, not intimidating. Backed by a Cornell psych honors degree, Brown coaching certification, and an International Coaching Federation credential, Grace combines a research-backed approach with real-world experience to make work for you.
Hi, Grace. How are you today?
Grace: Hi, Portia. I’m doing well. Glad to be here.
Porschia: All right. We are thrilled to have you with us to discuss finding the career path you’re passionate about. But first, we wanna know a little more about you. So tell me about seven-year-old Grace.
Grace: Seven-year-old Grace lived in New York City, dad from the Bronx, mom from Queens.
I could be found trotting around Chelsea in my red high-top Converse with the rainbow laces- … making up songs. I loved [00:02:00] school, felt a natural fit as the teacher’s pet, and whenever my parents would ask me what I wanted to do for the day, I would always say something actiony, which is a word that I made up just to describe I need to be moving my body through the world.
And honestly, as an adult, not much has changed.
And I would also say that seven-year-old Grace was a pretty scared kid, scared of Halloween, scared of watching Ghostbusters, scared of the night, and I think… I often say that I feel as though I’m a super-sized soul in a sensitive nervous system, and my life’s work is really to bring forth all that passion and see the fear and move forward anyway.
So lotta love for seven-year-old Grace.
Porschia: I love it, Grace. So what was something actiony that seven-year-old Grace wanted to be when she grew up?
Grace: Oh, wow. So I actually recently found a Dr. Seuss About Me book where you put in your answers to different questions, and [00:03:00] I wrote down astronaut ballerina.
Porschia: Love it.
Love it. Which,
Grace: A multi-hyphenate. Why not?
Porschia: So you would be doing pirouettes in space.
Grace: Yeah, in, in zero gravity, which sounds honestly fabulous.
Porschia: Yes. So Grace, tell us about some highlights or pivotal moments in your career before you started your business.
Grace: Yeah, so I pivoted several times in my career.
I went to school for psychology, thought that I was gonna get a neurobiology PhD. Did not like spending a lot of solo time in a lab room with rats. I wound up moving into a nonprofit in New York City focused on ed reform, and then into an agency where I was delivering products, insights for big brands, and then moved into tech at a company called Squarespace.
And hindsight’s really 20/20 with this, and of course, I work with clients all the time to define their values, and it is so clear throughout all of that the ways in which my values are [00:04:00] running the show. Particularly I have one around service impact, which is I’m directly working with people or supporting them in a way that they really need.
And then creation is the other one. We are creating something or bringing something forth that maybe didn’t exist before to solve a problem. And so when I think about the accomplishments that I’m the most proud of, oh my gosh, the values were in the background the whole time. I didn’t even know it.
And so in the nonprofit running extracurricular programming for 9,000 students across New York City, at the agency anytime I got to partner with a client to really understand their vision of what they wanted to bring forth and then execute on that. And then the, the Squarespace of it all, it’s really cool.
The products that I was able to help build and bring forward is the tech stack that I use in my business today. And so looking back, yeah, it’s just marvelous how the values had been there the entire time. It’s just really nice to have full awareness and be able to wield them now. [00:05:00]
Porschia: That is great.
That is great, and I love how you are very value centered. I think that it’s important for clients to see that, right? And then give themselves permission to live in alignment with their values. I also was a psychology major in school and had the whole, for me, I was thinking about getting a becoming a counseling psychologist and getting a PhD in that and, decided against it.
So I get it. I get it, Grace. The, the-
Grace: I think it’s just people who are curious about how we think, feel, and behave, which regardless of what you do with that, it’s such an amazing foundation to walk through the world with.
Porschia: Agreed, and I don’t know if you had this experience, and this will actually lead to my next question but when I found out about coaching and I researched it, I said, “Oh my gosh, this is what I always wanted to do but never knew existed.”
And I think the psychology degree was coaching was what I wanted, when you study psychology, there’s a [00:06:00] lot of clinical aspects to it- Yeah … in a lot of programs. So what motivated you to become a coach?
Grace: Oh, it is the coming together of so many of the intersection of my skills and experience, the things that light me up, the kind of impact that I like to have.
And honestly, I did not set out to be an entrepreneur because holy shit, how scary is that? But ultimately, having the freedom and flexibility to create all of those are very compelling, and it wasn’t until I was in a leadership accelerator program at my tech job that they paired me with an executive coach and I got to really sit with her and understand and do the deeper work to understand my values, my, all of that stuff.
And then I got to break the fourth wall and go, “Wait, do you do this for work? Is this a job?” And so that was a really eye-opening moment and set me down the path to get more education, start taking on clients until it was a [00:07:00] natural next step. I just, it was the highlight of my day every day when I got to coach people.
And so the path became clear, as it does when you take tiny incremental aligned steps towards something you believe in.
Porschia: Agreed. So how did you decide to focus on career coaching as one of your areas of expertise?
Grace: Because I have always found careers to be fascinating, and we’re talking today about the intersection between passion and career, and I think growing up, my dad is a musician.
That’s how bread was put on the table, right? So there’s a really beautiful intersection there, and I remember when we moved from the city to the suburbs, noticing there was a certain part of town where the houses were bigger and they had pools and the big trampolines and food and things that I didn’t necessarily have.
And I saw the dads with their briefcases and different outfits that my dad had with kind of a sour expression going into their jobs, and I would later learn those are [00:08:00] lawyers. Some of them were architects and a lot of consulting and things like that. And really just throughout life, picking up on these cues of there are people who are excited about what they’re doing every day but there’s something going on around stability and money that I couldn’t quite put my finger on.
And then there are others who seem to have all these material things that we really want in life, but I don’t know how happy they are. So that kind of curiosity was really stoked in me from a very young age. And then as I moved through the world, the curiosity never really stopped. So many of my pivots were really around kind of toggling between like the money, security, stability, and also recognizing that I am a person with many interests and passions.
And so when I decided to go into coaching, it just became a no-brainer to me to focus on this really interesting place. Also because careers are such a huge canvas [00:09:00] of opportunity. We… Unless you got a trust fund, unless you’ve got some other source of income, you are locking in this capitalist society for a really big old chunk, and we hear the stats of 90,000 hours a third of your life.
And so being able to focus on the career it’s a massive opportunity, and I also find for somebody who might be a little newer to doing deep introspective work, the career is a really good entry point. It’s something concrete that we can really look at and control, and it’s almost a Trojan horse to really understanding some deeper stuff around yourself
Porschia: I definitely agree with that.
A lot of aspects of someone’s life and personality come out when you’re talking about their career and their job. So what is your definition of passion?
Grace: So passion is a fire. It’s an excitement. It is energy. It is you are leaning [00:10:00] full tilt into something and it feels so good, right? For the purposes of our conversation today, I wanna almost broaden the definition ’cause there’s passion, really specific, it is that fire, but that fire, it can be a little fickle.
We’re not locked into passion all the time, nor should that be the goal. It’s really about understanding what are the things that light you up that way, along with a portfolio of other things that I hear from people to be very important. So people come to me and they’re looking for other things like purpose.
So purpose is this piece of you are impacting something bigger or outside of yourself. Much more sustainable fuel. It’s wonderful that we are, yes, wired for our own survival, but there is this part of us that needs to be useful and of service to others. So purpose is a big piece of this. Meaning is the sense we make of what we’re doing.
We wanna feel [00:11:00] like I understand and can defend why I’m doing what I’m doing, and that that one, can be defended for yourself, but also at a dinner party. You can be proud and stand on what you’re doing. And then the third piece is fulfillment, which is this idea that you are getting to use and express all of your gifts, right?
And you don’t have to suppress certain parts of yourself. So I think the specific definition of passion is that fire, is that energy, and we love that. That is such a vital life ingredient, but when we’re looking about the things that people really want, some of these other levers I have found are more sustainable fuel ’cause they’re less flash in the pans as passion
Porschia: Yeah.
And I think sustaining the passion, to your point about purpose, is sometimes also, I’ve seen that be a challenge with clients. Why do you think it’s important for people to find a career path they’re passionate [00:12:00] about?
Grace: There’s… Because passion is this human experience that just, it’s this vitality, it’s a wonderful thing to be able to pipe into and our careers tend to be, at their most basic form, the thing that we do to make money, we often find ourself in this black and white place between the starving artist trope, where you’ve leaned fully into passion but you don’t have the security and the stability, or the golden handcuffs, where you have basically traded your soul and excitement in exchange for money.
And we can say that these are kind of tropes or society has made us think in this black and white way, but the reality is that there is some truth to these things as well. There are trade-offs. And so it is on each of us, we have an amazing opportunity to do what I call play in the gray and figure out where, what is your unique mix of passion and paycheck, [00:13:00] is the short term that I use for that other piece.
Especially now in the shaky economy, labor market swings, political uncertainty, rise of AI, these are things that have us veering more towards safety and stability, but we can’t lose that passion ’cause it’s life force. It’s exciting, it’s joy. And so really figuring out how to design for that is important.
And I’d love to say one more thing there too, which is that often people assume that there is a path or a job out there that is the unique thing that they’re passionate about. But we wanna kinda move out of that, again, black and white place and go, “What makes me feel passionate and how can I design for more of that in my career and my life?”
There is no one single job out there that’s gonna do all that for you. It’s about putting yourself in the driver’s [00:14:00] seat to navigate as best as possible.
Porschia: I love that, and to play in the gray, Grace.
So what should someone consider when monetizing passion?
Grace: The first thing is sometimes we can get this idea that moving towards passion is going to solve all of our problems when in reality, moving toward doesn’t guarantee fair pay.
A lot of the things that we see that really light people up have to do with the arts, with creativity, and also with service, right? And I wish that society was different and was supporting teachers, and caretakers, and people in healthcare, social workers, but that’s one thing just to keep, be mindful of.
It also there’s the do what you love and you never work a day in your life trope. If you do something you’re passionate about, it doesn’t shield you from mundane to excruciating tasks, so there’s that piece there. And the other piece is if [00:15:00] you go for passion, I joke wherever you go, there you are.
And so it’s not once you are aligned in that way, the perfectionism or the people-pleasing magically melts. And so those are just some myths, these ideas, if I monetize my passion, I make that my career, everything’s going to be easier. So it’s really incumbent on us, one, to get clear on the market, to be students of the market, to understand if I wanna lean in and infuse more passion, what is the market asking for right now?
What are they paying right now? So that it can be the sustainable thing that you want it to be. [00:16:00] [00:17:00] And it’s also important, as always, that we do our own inner work to understand the patterns that we bring to the table, whether or not we have a job we love or hate. And so I would always consider that and just be mindful as you’re pursuing that.
Again, I’m always a big fan of, this is what I do with my clients, incremental learning and steps towards passion to ensure that it’s also the right fit for you and is going to support your life long-term
Porschia: I love how you broke that down. I- it’s probably been one of the best ways that I’ve heard someone break that down because for a long time people were just told, follow your passion.”
And I have seen lots of clients really wrestle with that advice, and then they come in and they feel bad about themselves because they don’t think they’re doing it right [00:18:00] or they don’t know if they’re following their passion or… And it’s just, they can be very conflicted, so I really like how you explained that.
What are some steps that people can take to find a career path that they’re passionate about?
Grace: First we’ve gotta locate and understand what passion actually feels like. Like you said, we were raised, “Find your passion and then do that for work.” But it’s rare, I’ve found, that somebody actually slows down to say what does fa- passion feel like in my body?
What does passion do for my focus? What does passion do for my ability to lock in and get work done for long stretches?” And then sometimes we bring in fulfillment and purpose and meaning and these other things, and then values alignment. These are a lot of concepts that we say I really want, but first step is how do you know?
What’s the definition of success that you’ve actually achieved that? So there is some somatic work in coming up with definitions for what does this thing actually mean and look [00:19:00] like. Then the next piece I always start, and again, I’m focused on careers, and sometimes clients will say, “Wait, but how does this map back to work?”
We look for sources of passion, fulfillment, energy, happiness in your life broadly. If they’re within your work, fabulous. That’s gonna be helpful later. But beyond that, what are the relationships? What kind of movement do you need? What are some hobbies that you wanna really lean into? Causes that you care about.
And making sure first and foremost before we go into re-architecting what might be a fine career that doesn’t need to be blown up, let’s get, let’s infuse more passion today. Today. And so it’s about coming up with small experiments to see what that feels like. From there, we come up with some hypotheses, and I’m breaking down a very detailed process, but we do get to a point where we have very clear what I call career concepts [00:20:00] that sit at the intersection of, the fulfillment passion piece, but also feasible.
They’re gonna pay the bills. You’ve got a clear path forward in them. And we don’t just go, “All right, I like this one the most, off I go.” We’re talking with experts in the space. We’re trying it on in small ways. We’re seeing what the market’s looking for. We’re seeing do I actually like this, or is it a mirage in a desert and I just am desperate to leave where I am currently?
And so all of this really boils down to we’ve gotta hone your compass and then go out into the world to really understand the viability and the reality of that path, so once you get there, you can stand on confident ground to say, “I have done the play in the gray, and I’ve picked the destination that’s gonna light me up the most but is also not gonna let me down.”
So incremental progress over time to get that clarity and the confidence in the path.
Porschia: Yes. [00:21:00] What about when clients are indecisive? We have a process where it sounds like some of it is similar, but some of it is different, and I would say it’s a smaller percentage of clients, but sometimes I have clients who are just very indecisive and they feel so much pressure that they don’t wanna make a mistake, right?
So we’ve gone through the process, and this is the passion, and this is the career path they should follow, and then, that doubt s- kicks in. Yeah. What happens when that… when you see that with a client? Yeah.
Grace: First I normalize it. It is so nor- Our careers are a big pillar in our life, so there’s no doubt, and I’m almost grateful that our body is kicking up alarm systems to say, “Hey, I wanna really look at this.”
So if there’s indecision, if there’s kind of panic at the precipice of going for something, that is completely normal, and we need to slow down and understand what are the messages actually coming from that fear. Is it fear of failure? Is it fear of I will not [00:22:00] be resourced over there? Is it fear of making the wrong decision?
And then truly, what are the impacts of that so that we can look it in the eye and really deconstruct and say, “Okay,” because there’s a really big difference between I’m feeling scared and indecisive because I’ve decided that I wanna go open my own floral business but there’s a saturated market there already, and I don’t know that I’ll be able to make any money from it.
Let’s slow down and look at that fear, ’cause we’ve gotta solve for it, versus this is new, and I’m scared, and I don’t know that I’ve got the self-trust to make it happen. That’s when we can work with and really move you forward. So validate, explore, and then do a lot of deconstructing and reducing the pressure around the perfectionism.
So I said I work with passionate powerhouses. These are people who go hard. They give a shit. They get shit done. And so the kryptonite of that superpower is that [00:23:00] we demand 110%, so we need to really bring down the volume on all of that and refer to a big part of the process is creating their custom compass to make decisions so that we get out of the realm of this is the right decision or the wrong decision, and it’s this is the best decision for me right now to take this next step forward, to really reduce the temperature on the fear and see exactly what’s coming up so that they can take the next best step.
Porschia: So we’ve discussed similar topics on the podcast before. Back in episode 53, we talked about how to develop a career plan. From your perspective, what is the value of having a career plan?
Grace: I think plan… I wanna make sure I know the definition of plan that you’re talking about, and then we’ll go from there How’s that sound?
Porschia: Yeah. So career plan sometimes people have the two year, three [00:24:00] year, five year plan of usually there’s a goal involved or multiple goals in the plan. And so one of the things that we do is we help our clients to create those career plans or refine them. A lot of clients come to us and they don’t have a career plan at all.
So you know, it’s something that comes up, I think, a lot in the career coaching space. So just want your thoughts on the value of a career plan or not, right?
Grace: Yeah. Here… So there’s definitely data that I think all of us as professionals having in our tool belt is so helpful for navigating.
And so for some people it is about moving towards something. I have found it’s it’s almost less about where I wanna be in my career, more where do I wanna be in my life. So this comes up a lot in terms of family planning or if somebody wants to make a big move or if somebody really desires owning a home in a certain [00:25:00] area that’s going to cost a certain amount of money.
So we definitely look at what’s on the horizon for you, and then how… what sorts of changes do you need now to get there? The most important pieces of data that I suggest people be armed with at any given time, we talked a bit about the values. That’s that compass. What energizes you? How do you make decisions when things are difficult?
And really bringing it down to its core elements. Like for me, for example, community and connection is really big. I mentioned service impact. I mentioned creation. I also have one around responsibility. These are… and growth and gr- th- a bunch of things, and they help me navigate opportunities as they are presented.
So that’s the more deep, energetic stuff. I also work with clients to come up with their list of criteria in the material world, and this is big, right? If you are making a certain amount of money, but in order to unlock major lifestyle changes you need to be [00:26:00] making Y instead of X, we gotta factor that in to your decision-making.
If you wanna be in a different location, if you want a different working style. And so again, this is arming every person with their data about what they want and need. And then the third piece, I call it your assets. It’s like your superpowers, the, the value prop of you incorporated. Understanding what you are exceptional at, your skills, experience, results, personality traits, all of that.
And then understanding where would I like to flex and grow? What might I want to do that it, that I, where I need to augment what I have versus what would be most meaningful to me is to dig into more of what I love. Those three pieces, the values, the criteria, and the assets, once you’re armed with those, and also know how to maintain and update those through your career, they’re your co-pilots.
And I’ve had clients reach out to me two, three years [00:27:00] later to tell me how their values were their support system through a major through a major decision-making process. And so that to me indicates while there is importance to setting goals and coming up with the plan, the values, criteria, assets is more of the stuff that you bring along on the journey to either take advantage of opportunities as they come up or fend off challenges and move forward anyway.
Porschia: Love it. So from your perspective, what are some of the biggest challenges you’ve seen professionals and executives have with finding a career path that they’re passionate about?
Grace: It’s that it- it’s not choosing the wrong path. I think people get really spooked, like we talked about, that, “Oh my gosh, I’ve made the wrong decision.
This thing isn’t lighting me up 24/7, that means it’s wrong.” No. I can say with deep confidence that I do work that I’m incredibly passionate about to the point of being obsessed about it. It’s… [00:28:00] And there’s mundane stuff. There’s challenges. It’s not perfect. So I think really getting that black-and-white thinking out of here.
The biggest challenge that I see is actually trying to access passion, lightness, joy, energy from a place of depletion, and so many of us are depleted. We’re running around with chronic stress. We’re working for the weekend. We’re misaligned. We’re doing things for money that we don’t actually believe in.
We’re low on the fulfillment, meaning, purpose of it all. And from that place, it can be really difficult to tap into passion. Really difficult. And we need to be able to do that, ’cause if we can’t tap into little moments of passion and recognize them, we’re on a trail without the breadcrumbs.
And so this is why I’m so thrilled to see mindfulness taking home taking hold. T- discussions around really grounding and making sure that you are not [00:29:00] being reactive but instead responding. Mental health is finally getting a spotlight in corporate spaces in a way that I think is long overdue.
And the reason that I mention this all in the context of passion is if you are dysregulated or completely burnt out, you’re without your flashlight to understand how to move forward. And so rather than being a challenge of choice, I see it more as a challenge of self, and how can we be in a place where we are really able to attune to what’s out, going on out there, and then confidently moving forward.
Porschia: Yes, I think that’s very well said that, in terms of the challenges, the depletion, I think yes definitely takes the cake. And I like what you said about black and white thinking too, because I think that is very real for people when it comes to their careers. So tell us more about your business.
Grace: So I am the career coach for Passionate [00:30:00] Powerhouses, and Passionate Powerhouses is a term that I made up. ‘Cause here’s the thing, when you go into coaching business, you do have to pick a niche. You have to pick an angle, and that’s partially a marketing exercise. But the bigger thing is you wanna be a beacon and actually really know how to support a certain type of person.
And because I’ve worked across industries and have networks in those areas but also realize that a lot of the… I meet people at the crossroads when they feel stuck and don’t know how to move forward and are saying, “Should I stay or should I go?” A lot of the, the framework that I use across industry, across across type of job, it works really well.
There’s these psychographics that I’m drawn to, and it makes sense ’cause I am a passionate powerhouse, but it’s these people… And when I share this, people go, “Oh, I know. My sister’s that person. My cousin’s that person.” They are the high achievers with heart who can move mountains, who really care deeply about the impact that they have.
But they tend to overdo it. They are prone to burnout. They are prone to [00:31:00] also relying on external validation and definitions of success, and lose track of themselves. And so our work is really about bringing you back home to yourself, understanding who you are, what you want, and what you need, and then moving forward in a way that is aligned and also very cognizant of the real world around us and the market so that you can land somewhere where you can thrive, where you can grow long-term.
Porschia: We’ll be providing a link to your website and other social channels in our show notes so people can find you online. Grace, I wanna ask you this question as well, because I like to ask career coaches specifically this one. What is your definition of career success?
Grace: That’s such a good question. I define it in three very clear ways, and they’re clear because so often, [00:32:00] as we inherit some definition of success and we go, “Where did that come from?
Why am I sprinting 1,000 miles per hour towards this thing that I don’t really know that I bought in on?” So when I started my business especially, I was like, “This is a great opportunity to get clear on this.” And so I measure and track three goals, and they’re my definition of success. So one is I’m helping passionate powerhouses design careers that they love.
One, this is am I in flow in the workday? Is this feeling aligned? Do I like the work? And then the other piece is, am I getting results for people? Are there case studies? Are they getting the jobs? Is there more alignment? Is there more health? Is there more ease, more agency? Are the testimonials coming through?
I’m looking at that piece. That’s the work pillar. The second is, hello, we live in the material world. I make enough revenue to fund my lifestyle. Absolutely. So I’m looking at that. That’s the work underbelly. And in the past, from a place of scarcity, I really sprinted towards money. This is not that.
[00:33:00] I’ve worked really hard to get clear on what is enough, and then say, “You did it. We can step back now. That one’s complete.” So that was a very important exercise for me. And then the third is just living a healthy and happy life, and I know that’s it’s unrelated to the career, but what I’ve seen time and time again, this is another broader point on the career and passion piece.
Yes, you can get passion from your career, but if your career is a vehicle for passion in your life, it doesn’t deplete you, it’s not so misaligned, fabulous. We run towards passion in our life. So I really check, ’cause if I’m only focused on client results and money, but I just wanna collapse on the couch at the end of the day, something needs to be tweaked to make sure that, that piece is happening there.
So those are the three goals that since the beginning of the business have been the North Star and have guided a lot of the decision-making.
Porschia: Yeah. I agree, and I think I tell people, we’ve gotta [00:34:00] eat, sleep, work out, hang out with- Yeah … our friends. Do all that other stuff, too. So that is important.
I’m gonna ask you the final question, Grace, that I ask all of our guests. How do you think executives or professionals can get a positive edge in their careers?
Grace: It is the combination of the deep inner work and being a student of the market. You gotta know yourself. You’re- you gotta be a cap- capable captain of your own ship, and so that’s understanding who am I?
What do I want? What is it that I need? How do I know when I’m operating from a place of choice and abundance versus scarcity? How do I move into a response versus a reaction? All of that is what’s going to help you be, again, the most capable captain of your own ship. And then, what’s going on in the waters, the market?
I think we’re scared of the market, and I get it. The headlines are really spooky right now. But as much as you can turn it into I’m a student of what people are looking for, what is being valued by [00:35:00] society, how I might plug in, you’re armed with so much more agency and choice. So turning it into more of an academic and calm, proactive exercise versus I’m quaking in my boots at my big tech company because layoffs are coming for me and I don’t know what’s out there.
Get informed, get educated, so that if and when the worst-case scenario happens, you can trust yourself that you will be able to find the next thing.
Porschia: Grace, you have shared a lot of wisdom with us today, and I’m sure our listeners can use it to be more confident in their careers. We appreciate you being with us.
Grace: Thank you so much. This was a blast. [00:36:00]
